Steve QJ
2 min readDec 3, 2024

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https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Effects-of-enforced-monogamy-on-gross-morphology-and-sex-allocation-in-Macrostomum_fig2_303457940

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982201001464

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3448729

Just a few papers using the term long before Peterson did. It's nothing to do with refusing men agency, it's an academic term that means the societal promotion of monogamy. Essentially, the society we currently live in but are arguably moving away from. Polyamorous and open relationships are becoming more common, some people, like Peterson, think that's a bad thing, and I think that's worthy of conversation no matter where you stand.

So no, I'm not offering apologetics. I'm saying you're criticising an idea you don't understand and getting mad about your misunderstanding. I have no very strong feelings about monogamous societies, I've given it very little though, but any honest critique of someone's ideas begins with an understanding of what those ideas are.

And no man, subreddits are not groups in any meaningful sense. Or, at least, I don't consider them to be. Unless you think r/showerthoughts or r/girlsfarting should be considered meaningful groups too. I don't know who the guys you mention are, I strongly suspect you don't either, nor have I listened to what they say in Cassie's documentary, I strongly suspect you haven't either, so I'm not going to base my judgement entirely on second hand accounts on SLP's website. You shouldn't either.

I don’t believe that Cassie Jaye, a woman with a track record of talking about women’s and liberal issues, suddenly decided to make a documentary about how cool it is to hate women. I think she tried to be intellectually honest about a topic that some people refuse to acknowledge any nuance on, and was demonised for it.

Sadly, I suspect you won't, but I'd really urge you to listen to Cassie's TED talk on the issue. Her journey is genuinely interesting and it seems her way of thinking used to be closely aligned with yours. She initially approached the documentary as an expose of all these terrible men, and it was only when she actually listened to them, that she realised that while yes, some of them were as awful as she believed, she didn't need to see all of them as the enemy. And that their aims were not in fact hateful or even in conflict with those of feminists.

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Steve QJ
Steve QJ

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