I have absolutely no idea why you think this in any way justifies what the Zionists did. I couldn't care less if Israel is a democracy (which it's not, by the way) or an authoritarian regime or a hippie commune, it is a nation created by ethnically cleansing another people. And this isn't ancient history, it was 76 years ago.

But sure, let's all move on from the past, shall we? And maybe we could, if not for the fact that even today, even right now, that process of ethnic cleansing continues.

So why do you expect me to care whether this nation calls itself a "democracy"?

As to the quotes, no, the first quote reveals the mistake that you, and Ben-Gurion and every single one of you hypocrites continue to make. The holocaust didn't provide a sacred injunction to the Jews, it provided a sacred injunction to everybody, to ensure that the nationalism and hypocrisy and sheer evil that allowed the Nazi regime to do what it did should never be allowed to exist again. That is why it's especially heartbreaking to see a portion of the Jewish people, of all people, do this.

Though, of course, Herzl and Jabotinsky and many other Zionists were very clear about rejecting their Jewishness in favour of what can only really be described as anAryan ideal. I'd have included some of their quotes if the piece wasn't already running a little long.

Second, Ben-Gurion's quote about not wishing to take the Arabs' place predates his quote about using armed force to take over all the land by 17 years. Which do you imagine is a more accurate reflection of the view he came to hold? Especially as his latter quote is a perfect description of what is happening right now before our eyes?

So no, if you're going to pontificate about Saudis dismembering journalists to justify Zionists slaughtering innocent Palestinian farmers, and again, I'm talking about today, not in some distant past, if you think killing journalists with bombs instead makes Israel morally superior, the question is not simply "is there more brutality than usual?" The question is, why are you defending the brutality at all? If you want to claim moral superiority, live up to it!

If you want to ask what alternative the “victors” have, you first have to ask whether they had an alternative to slaughtering and ethnically cleansing innocent people who had done them no harm.

And if you want to ask what accommodations were made to the "losers," just ask! Ask the people in Gaza. Not just now, ask the people who were driven from their homes in 1948. Ask them how they were the "losers" when they weren't even asked if they wanted to play.

I'm not holding any group to a standard I don't hold anybody else to. That's you. Unless you also support Vladimir Putin's invasion Russia? Or Hitler's invasion of Poland maybe? Do you ask yourself if there was “more brutality than usual” before deciding that these were wrong? If you can find a more brutal war, does Putin get to do whatever he wants? Do you think I defended the Rwandan Genocide because I’m black?

So no, unlike you, I hold all humans to the exact same standard: to treat others with the same dignity, respect and compassion they would ask for themselves. Zionists fail that standard worse than almost any other group I can think of. Right up there with the Hutu and the Nazis. My disgust for the hypocrisy of the people who defend it is almost boundless at this point.