What are you talking about?A) I haven't said this, and B) the land theft goes on regardless.

Yes, Israelis have used wars to justify large thefts of land all the way back to 1948. But the land left of the settlers, supported by the IDF, has continued regardless.

It's a choice between a slow death and a quick one.

But yes, you're right, "if they don't fight, their lot is{terrible], if they fight it's far, far, worse [from a certain perspective]."

And what I'm absolutely baffled by is the fact that you're intelligent enough to see this and yet you have nothing meaningful to say about the people who are doing this to the Palestinians. In fact, you've proven yourself willing to tie yourself into intellectual knots which are far, far beneath your dignity to try to justify this.

I've been making the mistake of thinking you were just confused or misinformed, but it seems you know exactly what you're defending and are choosing to defend it anyway. Which honestly makes talking to you feel like a complete waste of time.

But I'll sign of with this: there is, for the billionth time, a sound alternative plan. It has almost universal international support. Israel and their inexplicable lapdog are the only two major countries that oppose it. this sound alternative plan has been on the floor of the UN since, if I remember correctly, 1998. It has been voted on dozens of times, it receives well over 100 votes in favour every time (153 in favour in 2022), usually about 10 abstentions, and around 5 countries against. Palestinian governments from the PA to Hamas agreed to the plan years ago.

And the plan is simply that Israel *drum roll* obeys international law.

Remove the illegal settlements, respect the 1967 borders, come to an agreement on the right of return or compensation for Palestinians illegally forced from their homes. That's it.

So yes, there is a sound alternative plan. It's just not a plan that allows Israel to continue its lifelong mission of ethnic cleansing.